December 12, 2007

An Alligator To Feed Every Month

The East Valley Tribune reports from Arizona. “The Valley’s existing home market continued to drag last month with sales showing 35 percent decline from a year ago, a report by Arizona State University’s Realty Studies department shows. Year-to-date through last month, there were 47,690 sales – a 24 percent drop from the same time period last year and a more than 50 percent tumble from 2005.”

“‘Although there is a large inventory of available homes, buyers appear reluctant to take advantage of the market,’ Realty Studies Director Jay Butler said. ‘The first issue is that most buyers have to be sellers, which is difficult in this market.’”

“In November, the Valley’s median existing home price was $240,000. That’s the lowest monthly price since $235,000 in May 2005.”

The Arizona Republic. “Meritage Homes is seeking lower payments on property it purchased near 56th Street and Loop 101 in the Desert Ridge community. The giant home builder purchased the 288-acre property in July 2005 for $92.2 million. The State Land Department was the seller.”

“Mark Winkleman, land commissioner, says such land deals typically are set up like mortgages. The department is ‘constrained,’ he said, in what it can do to ease the financial burden on land buyers.”

“‘We can offer deferred interest payments,’ Winkleman said.”

“Winkleman says it typically takes 2½ to three years for rooftops to show up in newly purchased land, ‘but where the market is now, there has been no activity for who knows how long.’ All home builders have ‘excess inventory and land they cannot use,’ Winkleman said.”

“In another example of taking a long time between purchase and actual development, D.R. Horton only recently opened a sales office for its Cielo project on land it has owned since March 2004. The company says it will begin construction in 2008 - a full four years after it bought the land for $49.3 million.”

The Arizona Daily Star. “Staring the real estate slowdown in the face, a local restaurant owner is working on plans to turn a former restaurant site into a condominium complex. Jeff Petersen, of Scottsdale-based Landmarc Capital & Investment Co., which has agreed to fund the project, said the complex would have about 40 to 50 units priced at about $175,000 to $225,000.”

“One local real estate broker who specializes in condos said the complex may not be a sure bet. ‘Right now the condo business is really price-sensitive,’ said OnSite Realty owner Caroline Auza. ‘There’s so much inventory on the market right now that they’re shopping everything and buying where they can find the best deal.’”

“Local builder Canoa Homes…is planning to auction off 10 homes starting Wednesday in a weeklong process. The minimum bids range from about $150,000 to about $200,000.”

“The properties are in the Southwest Side, Vail and Corona de Tucson, said Jerry Wade, VP of sales and marketing for Canoa Homes. All of the homes were built for customers who canceled their contracts, Wade said.”

“‘We’ve found we have more inventory than we feel comfortable with,’ he said.”

The Review Journal from Nevada. “Nobody’s ready to declare that the Las Vegas housing market has reached bottom, but some real estate experts are convinced the floor is at least being established.”

“The inventory of homes for sale receded slightly in November to 23,494, about 400 fewer than the previous month, and sales remained below 1,000 for the third consecutive month, the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors reported.”

“Inventory is up 19.1 percent from a year ago and sales are down 37.4 percent.”

“‘It appears we have reached the bottom everyone is waiting for,’ Robin Camacho of American Realty & Investments said. ‘December is looking horrible, but it’s December and it’s always the worst month.’”

“Realtors sold 968 single-family homes in November at a median price of $273,500, an 11.2 percent decline from a year ago. Condo and townhome sales fell 50 percent to 162 and the median price is down 10 percent to $180,000.”

“‘Prices are still dropping, in large part because investors are buying up the best deals,’ Camacho said. ‘Prices are still dropping while sales are rising. I think we have an ideal buyers’ market that won’t last much longer.’”

The Associated Press on Nevada. “Jackie Castleberry won’t be playing Santa Claus this year. This year she is just struggling to keep her North Las Vegas, Nevada, house.”

“The interest rate on her four-bedroom home loan shot up in October and she is $6,000 behind on her payments. She now owes $168,000 on her home, which once was worth $220,000 but is now worth about $150,000.”

“In the past, when times were tough, she would borrow against her home’s equity — that’s no longer possible.”

“‘I was always seen as the person that’s giving, but it’s kind of affected this year,’ said Castleberry, a former casino buffet supervisor who now makes $11 an hour, 30 hours a week, supervising children before and after school. ‘This year, I can’t see anything right now as far as gifts.’”

“Money’s also tight for Deborah Vick, a Las Vegas home loan officer who says she’s cut back on spending since the housing slowdown took hold and cut her salary in half. She used to have a BMW and a Land Rover, but had to give up the BMW to a company that took over her $600 a month lease.”

“‘If you have to give up a luxury item, which you probably shouldn’t have purchased in the first place, you know, for me it was a learning experience,’ she said.”

“‘My daughter’s having a fabulous holiday. She always does,’ Vick said. ‘Am I going to go buy myself another car this year? No.’”

The Nevada Appeal. “Chad Hill, of Dayton, left the renter’s world to pursue home ownership, recently closing on a house in a subdivision off Dayton Valley Road. Hill said prices finally came down far enough for him to buy.”

“‘It’s much better now that the interest rates have gone down some and you don’t get stuck in one of those ARM loans with a balloon payment,’ he said.”

“Up to 2004, Dayton home prices were lower than Reno and Carson City. If Reno’s and Carson’s prices were out of reach for a homebuyer, Dayton was a popular alternative. Then, from about 2004-2005, Nevada’s housing market took off, and brought Dayton with it, pushing prices to starting in the high $200,000s and out of reach for many.”

“Sheena Beaver, of the Builders Association of Western Nevada, said the median price of a new home in 2006 was $269,000 in the Dayton area, and for 2007, the median price was $242,000.”

“In 2006, the median sold price was $282,500, and the median list price was $295,000. The median sold price for 2005 was $288,950, and the median list price was $292,000.”

“Jody Foley, of Coldwell Banker Best Sellers, said it does take longer for listings to sell, and sellers should be ‘realistic’ in their pricing. Some sellers may not be listening to that advice, as the 125 homes on the market in Dayton through Nov. 30 show the median price to be $369,900, and the average time on the market at 150 days.”

“The statistics on expired or withdrawn listings in Dayton show some sellers chose to wait until the market picks up. In 2007, 80 listings expired or were withdrawn, with median list price of $417,400 and an average time on the market of 165 days.”

“‘It’s a great time for buyers to be out there looking and buying,’ Foley said. ‘There are good buys out there and there’s so many to pick from now.’”

The Reno Gazette Journal from Nevada. “The city of Reno is allowing developers to abandon their unfinished subdivisions and avoid the high cost of continuing projects that are not selling in the current slow housing market.”

“John Hester, Reno community development director, said he proposed the new policy when builders such as Centex, West Haven and SilverStar Communities asked if they could stop making payments on construction surety bonds, which cover the cost of multimillion-dollar public improvements.”

“‘With those three who came to talk to me, they don’t want to finish until the market is better,’ he said.”

“Centex is making bond payments on and paying property taxes on 1,240 recorded lots in its 1,517-lot Bella Vista Ranch project in the southeast Truckee Meadows.”

“At the end of September, Reno had 9,310 lots among its recorded subdivisions, up from 8,030 in February 2006, according to the University of Nevada, Reno. Throughout the Truckee Meadows, 15,036 unsold home lots are recorded on final maps, up from 11,111 at the end of 2004.”

“With new home sales expected to hit 2,000 this year, the inventory of recorded, unsold subdivision lots represents about a seven-year supply.”

“As of September, 62,584 lots have been approved on final or tentative subdivision maps in the Truckee Meadows, according to the regional studies center. That’s up from 45,964 in 2000 before a building boom began.”

“John Wright, a local real estate appraiser for 23 years, said the policy could help builders who paid cash for their land and public companies that start work on a non-controversial project and now want to suspend work until the market turns around.”

“But he said the policy won’t help small private builders who are financed by banks that require them to maintain their land approvals. ‘They have an alligator to feed every month,’ he said, in paying interest on loans to buy land. ‘That becomes a huge cash drain.’”

“Wright said he expects a number of builders to be foreclosed on next year and their lenders to take back entire subdivisions. He expects these subdivisions would be sold at a lower price, providing another blow to the housing market.”

“And he said another hit could come when more existing homes are dumped on the market at discounted prices next year. He said 36 percent of existing homes on the local MLS are vacant, and owners, including speculators, can’t hold onto them forever.”

“For the greater Reno-Sparks area, about 895 subdivision homes, including models were up for sale at the end of September, including 518 in Reno.”

From Business Week on Utah. “A year ago the six-bedroom house where Scott and Dawn Norton raised 10 children in the shadow of a Utah mountain range would have been snatched up. The Provo (Utah) home, which is listed for $368,000, seems to have plenty going for it.”

“For most Americans, the housing slump began in 2006, but in Provo and adjacent Orem, home prices leaped 14% in the quarter ending Sept. 30, compared with the same period in 2006, according to the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s Nov. 29 report.”

“Still, the Nortons have knocked $30,000 off their original asking price, set five months ago, and are giving a 3% discount to any buyer who comes to the closing table without an agent.”

“Why offer incentives in a hot market? Well, it seems that even some of the nation’s strongest markets, including Utah, the state with the highest third-quarter year-over-year appreciation, are losing steam.”

“‘We live in a great area, and I know we’re priced reasonably,’ says Dawn Norton. ‘I’ve had a Realtor tell me, ‘It’s not just your house.’”

“‘I keep hearing that Utah’s economy is great,’ says Kevin Shoell, who owns title company Title One in Salt Lake City. ‘But the housing market isn’t great. I’ve heard the stats before [about the state's home prices]. Everybody in the industry is looking around and saying, ‘Who are they talking about?’”




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Comment by Tweedle Dee
2007-12-12 13:16:21

Russian oil is to be sold in Rubbles by 2009.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_gxiZ5ctoN0&refer=home

There are side effects to printing money to save the housing bubble burst.

Comment by bluprint
2007-12-12 14:00:07

I know we’ve gone through periods of recession and growth in the past. Inflation has been an issue for decades. In ‘71, Nixon closed the gold window for the dollar.

So is it going to be different this time? One thing I’m curious about, is whether as many countries were using the dollar as a reserve currency before ‘71? If they were, why did they continue after Nixon eliminated the obligation of the U.S. to redeem dollars in gold?

It seems now, that if the dollar is no longer the standard for gold, oil, and a general purpose reserve currency, obviously that would dramatically effect the value of the dollar. I’m just trying to reconcile in my own mind why the dollar wasn’t as widely rejected after what would seem to be the biggest single devaluation that could occur, the closing of the gold window.

Comment by JP
2007-12-12 14:33:15

I’m just trying to reconcile in my own mind why the dollar wasn’t as widely rejected after what would seem to be the biggest single devaluation that could occur, the closing of the gold window.

It’s almost as if big oil sellers lacked faith in the buying power of gold.

 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-12 14:35:26

Europe was a mish-mash of currencies in 1971, and the far east hardly mattered aside from Japan, the only rising star of the tigers, then.

3 dozen years ago, the world was a different place.

 
Comment by climber
2007-12-12 15:54:13

The dollar was widely rejected after that. I remember gas lines, price freezes and stagflation following that event.

There just wasn’t any alternative to take it’s place at the time.

 
 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2007-12-12 13:19:49

OK - I’ll just get it out there because I know it’s coming - Sheena Beaver of the building association. Nuff said.

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2007-12-12 14:02:04

I used to date her sister. Shava.

Comment by wmbz
2007-12-12 14:14:27

I went out with her cousin …. Ineeda

Comment by Flatlander
2007-12-12 14:39:34

True story . . . about 3 years ago, a group of high school kids in a small town in Colorado adopted Beavers as their unofficial mascot. They created T-shirts, hats, etc and were selling the hell out of them until the town and school administration shut them down. The town and school’s name . . . Eaton.

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Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 14:41:32

You guys crack me up. Almost lost the coke I was drinking. BTW, I dated their mom, Wanda Beaver.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2007-12-12 14:52:33

Any relation to Juanita?

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Comment by phillygal
2007-12-12 15:20:00

Yes and her fiance is Ward Cleaver.

So her married name will be Sheena Beaver Cleaver.

And her stepson The Beav will call her “Mom Beaver”.

 
 
Comment by vile
2007-12-12 15:13:55

Or Anita

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Comment by builderboy
2007-12-12 15:17:00

Harry

 
Comment by MInnesota Nice
2007-12-14 19:29:01

That’s what she said.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joesixpack
2007-12-12 15:29:01

Good grief.

Does this qualify as a waist of bandwidth?

Comment by are they crazy
2007-12-12 15:46:38

Sometimes it’s all so depressing it just seems you need a little distraction via humor. Besides, as Leigh says - you can’t make this stuff up.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-12-12 15:56:31

You took the words right outta my mouth!

And, people, stop it. You’re making me laugh too hard.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2007-12-12 16:13:50

Yes, your comment does! (this one too, sorry Ben)

 
 
Comment by Flatlander
2007-12-12 15:32:14

Ms. Beaver should get together with this realtor:

http://www.coloradoluxuryrealestate.com/resume.asp

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-12-12 15:57:36

Now, STOP! You’re making me laugh even harder!

Comment by Earl 288
2007-12-12 18:31:29

Don`t you guys think you`re being a little rough on the Beaver ??

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Comment by Tweedle Dee
2007-12-12 13:21:07

“Inventory is up 19.1 percent from a year ago and sales are down 37.4 percent.”
“‘It appears we have reached the bottom everyone is waiting for,’ Robin Camacho of American Realty & Investments said.

a) where can I buy a crystal ball like that ?
b) does it come in realistic as well as dreamer models ?
c) who is this “everyone” he speaks of ? If I were looking to buy a home in LV, I’d hope prices fell even further
d) if this is the bottom of the market then housing supply my be equal to housing demand for it to be stabilized. How many months of inventory does LV have ? I guess the buyers and sellers didn’t hear his message.

Comment by Home_a_Loan
2007-12-12 13:49:10

“‘It appears we have reached the BOTTOM everyone is waiting for,’ Robin Camacho of American Realty & Investments said.”

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” - Inigo Montoya

Comment by Lisa
2007-12-12 14:24:27

“‘It appears we have reached the BOTTOM everyone is waiting for,’ Robin Camacho of American Realty & Investments said.”

During the early 90’s bust, the realtors called bottom every month for 4 years. We’re going to hear a lot of that this time around.

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-12-12 14:45:36

We really need a “so-called experts stupid comment tracker” in order to hold these j@ck@sses accountable.

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Comment by Ken Best
2007-12-12 20:41:34

Too bad for the realtors, this time around we have the Internet
and thehousingbubbleblog.

Paulson was calling the bottom for the home builder and “subprime is contained” just a few months ago. With Internet, we can readily retrieve those lies.

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Comment by Inconceivable
2007-12-12 14:45:03

In 9 months, after the ‘brisk’ Summer selling season 2008 has ended, Camacho will be saying, “We haven’t reached the bottom yet? Inconceivable!”

btw, Just watched the movie The Princess Bride again over the weekend. I hadn’t seen it again since it was a new release in the late 80’s - still a funny movie!

“Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You foreclosed on my father prepare to die.”

Comment by In Colorado
2007-12-12 14:58:42

M-ROUS : Mortgage Resets of unusual size?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2007-12-12 16:26:58

He’s not foreclosed, just mostly foreclosed. There’s a big difference!

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Comment by SoBay
2007-12-12 15:20:19

Robin is to be excused FOR HER IGNORANCE.
The ‘Floor’ that she senses is really only a ‘Step’ towards the bottom.

 
 
 
Comment by jack
2007-12-12 13:26:36

You give up the bond protection on the subdivisions, you should be setting a reserve to finish the damn things. Give away your protection without recompense is stupidity.

 
Comment by Rintoul
2007-12-12 13:31:07

“‘It appears we have reached the bottom everyone is waiting for,’ Robin Camacho of American Realty & Investments said. ‘December is looking horrible, but it’s December and it’s always the worst month.’”

I don’t know what Robin’s smokin’, but based on the numbers *I* saw, things sure in the hell ain’t lookin’ UP!

Comment by Neil
2007-12-12 13:37:52

Ok, I’m confused by Mr. Robin’s Camancho’s comments.
1. Isn’t February the worst month?
2. As sales continue to fall into the sink hole and inventory grows, will he admit he has a Joshua tree up where the sun doesn’t shine?

Got popcorn?
Neil

Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-12 14:06:36

Usually the cruelest months end in a “y”.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2007-12-12 15:59:07

Looks like April’s off the hook.

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Comment by climber
2007-12-12 13:40:27

The Arizona Republic. “Meritage Homes is seeking lower payments on property it purchased near 56th Street and Loop 101 in the Desert Ridge community. The giant home builder purchased the 288-acre property in July 2005 for $92.2 million. The State Land Department was the seller.”

“Mark Winkleman, land commissioner, says such land deals typically are set up like mortgages. The department is ‘constrained,’ he said, in what it can do to ease the financial burden on land buyers.”

Just wait, Mr. Winkleman, Meritage may just walk away from the payments and leave you with the land. Worse yet, Bush may have a plan where they don’t get the payments or the land.

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-12-12 14:55:23

Screw those b@st@rds who drove land prices through the roof. And screw every greedhead who sold the land, too. Screw this whole bubble. Commence price destruction!

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2007-12-12 15:14:46

“Meritage Homes is seeking lower payments on property it purchased near 56th Street and Loop 101 in the Desert Ridge community.”

These shack builders have no shame. BTW, I thought that this was an elite area with convenient access to a major freeway. Some realtor-types are selling the idea that while the sky may actually be falling in Surprise or Pinal County, areas like Desert Ridge and Scottsdale are largely immune to the price meltdown. So, hurry up and build, Meritage, we are all eager to live it up in the Desert Ridge lifestyle.

“Winkleman said no deal has been reached to ease the payments by Meritage.
But the property, along with all other property in Desert Ridge, is “well-positioned once things pick up,” he said.”

You better not give them any breaks, Winkelman. You talked your butt off two years ago about how state land trust sales were reaching record price levels, but you never mentioned a thing about interest-free state financing for these building companies. Perhaps Meritage will at least install some granite somewhere on the acreage, so that they can leave Winkelman a set of keys or something.

 
 
Comment by NeilT
2007-12-12 13:45:52

“‘My daughter’s having a fabulous holiday. She always does,’ Vick said. ‘Am I going to go buy myself another car this year? No.’”

Now, why not? Fed is ready to create out of nothingness and give out boatloads of funny money against even sh!t as collateral. If Vick would just be patient for a few months, she should see more $$ to buy a car or whatever. Everybody will get more $$ next year. Helicoptor Ben is trying to take off.
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Fed Joins Other Banks to Add Cash
By FLOYD NORRIS and VIKAS BAJAJ 8 minutes ago, NYTimes.
Central banks in Europe and North America moved to increase the amount of money they could lend to banks in an attempt to ease the credit squeeze.
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Comment by Professor Bear
2007-12-12 14:03:49

“Now, why not?”

Will she be able to afford to put gas in the tank?

Comment by EggMan
2007-12-12 14:40:55

She used to have a BMW and a Land Rover, but had to give up the BMW to a company that took over her $600 a month lease.

“Took over” her lease. Ha. I’ll bet some guy knocked on the door and said “hi, I’m here to take over your lease. keys please.”

 
Comment by Flatlander
2007-12-12 14:41:54

As long as there are checks in the checkbook . . . it’s all good.

Comment by Midwesterner
2007-12-12 14:56:38

More like…as long as your card doesn’t get rejected

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Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 13:46:52

“The interest rate on her four-bedroom home loan shot up in October and she is $6,000 behind on her payments. She now owes $168,000 on her home, which once was worth $220,000 but is now worth about $150,000.”
“In the past, when times were tough, she would borrow against her home’s equity — that’s no longer possible.”
“‘I was always seen as the person that’s giving, but it’s kind of affected this year,’ said Castleberry, a former casino buffet supervisor who now makes $11 an hour, 30 hours a week, supervising children before and after school. ‘This year, I can’t see anything right now as far as gifts.’”

Oh… uh….(reaction not printable).

Assuming this woman works 45 hours a week then with overtime she makes $522.50 a week or $27,170 a year.

She can NOT afford that house. She can only afford a payment of $633 –701 a month for the mortgage, taxes and insurance.

She can NOT – and never could – afford a mortgage of more than $84,000 –93,000.

It doesn’t sound like she spent the HELOC money on ‘stuff’ like SUVs. Vacations and plasma TVs. It does sound like she used the money to survive with healthcare costs, car payments and repairs and all the other things that tear huge holes in a net income of about $1800 a month.

So sad And there is the result of the obsessive desire of the public for cheap goods and services – low wages and the inability to afford the basic necessities.

That is Clark County and that is not even the county in Nevada with the highest percentage of subprime mortgages.

Real intersting interactive map on the NYT website that shows the % of mortgages that are subprime in every county in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/11/03/weekinreview/20071103_SUBPRIME_GRAPHIC.html?oref=login#

We are seeing some ’short-refinances’ in someareas of my state. Same idea as a short sale but instead of the lender taking a loss when the house is sold, they take the loss when it is refinanced so they can get out from under the mortgage and dealing with the inevitable foreclosure.

Comment by flatffplan
2007-12-12 13:58:07

looks like montanna and sd will be hot spots

 
Comment by cami
2007-12-12 14:11:45

Castleberry, a former casino buffet supervisor who now makes $11 an hour, 30 hours a week, supervising children before and after school.

That puts her at about $330/wk or just over $17k/year before taxes. Now she could have a second job, but even still, yeah there’s no way she can afford that house as her mortgage ($168k) is about 10x income.

 
Comment by are they crazy
2007-12-12 14:12:42

Why is this dolt allowed to supervise children? I have a general question I’ve had for months - Are people so desperate for fame that they are willing to allow their names and/or pictures appear in the press as fools, morons or both? If I was in financial deed doo doo, the last thing I would want is the whole world to know. I guess there’s no pride - except false pride and no shame anymore. I just don’t get it.

Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 14:27:54

Supervising children is one of the worst paying jobs around. Low pay, no health insurance, no nothing. Daycare and nursery school staff usually make only a dollar or two above minimum wage. Who do you think you are going to get? Harvard summa cum laude with 3 post-grad degrees?

They tell their stories to the media because they have spent years watching Oprah and think they are ’supposed to share’ and are indoctrinated to believe they should ’share’ because there are a lot of people in their position and they can ’support each other.’

Yeah - gobblygook, touch-feely babble, and that is the US culture. (I don’t think the US is elevated by having people babble on talk shows about their cheatin’ boyfriend who is sleeping with their sister and all of them on stage either.) “Sharing’ and “understanding’ are in: responsiblity, humility and shame are out.

I would be utterly humiliated to be in that mess and not want to leave the house. Difference is I am the product of my grandparents who were young adults in ‘29 and my great-grandfather who talked to me a lot about the depression of ‘93 (1893) and all preached honor, duty and responsibility. I’m in the wrong century.

Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 14:49:40

Don’t fell bad, Ann. That was my mom’s father to a tee. I know it is an old joke among comedians, but my g’pa was the guy you needed 10 VERY good reasons, a letter/recommendation from mom and dad, and a ref from the president of the US before buying ANYTHING.

Gramps can you buy me that? His response, “Can you eat it.” You see, this was from a man who was 20 when 1929 hit. You better believe this man owed nothing to anyone when he died.

He may not have have left a lot of money or material plastic pumpkins, but he left a lot of good practical financial advice.

My father was the same way. I know I am responsible for all the financial mess in my life years ago, but I think that thriftiness may have been at least a small reason I went totally nutso in college.

At least, at 40, I have been given that second chance. Many people with these McMansion mortgages will not get that second chance. Even if the credit score goes back up in 5-10 years, the oldtyme fundys of mortgage lending are going to close the window for many of these people because they still won’t have a down payment of 20-30%.

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Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-12 14:41:32

What makes me laugh is that she lives in North Las Vegas. The last time I drove through that area in order to get near Nellis AFB, the majority of the people I saw out and about didn’t leave me with a warm fuzzy feeling.

Comment by phillygal
2007-12-12 15:16:37

did they have that ex-con look?

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-12 15:31:33

Let’s just say that thoughts of Compton ran through my brain…

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Comment by MacAttack
2007-12-12 15:43:56

There was a shooting episode just yesterday there as a bus dropped off kids - right into a teenagers’ firefight.

Comment by BanteringBear
2007-12-12 16:27:10

Sad times in this country. Recently at school, a 6 year old boy told my 6 year old nephew he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot him, along with my 9 year old nephew.

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Comment by Carbonator
2007-12-12 16:56:55

You remember the photographs of the Great Depression - lines around the block of patiently waiting men in suits and hats, waiting for food stamps, or soup, or whatever to survive.

Given the societal mores of today, ya think this is what will happen this time?

 
Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 17:09:29

waiting for food stamps

No such thing in the 20’s, 30’s,40s or 50s (or anytime before that)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Paul in Jax
2007-12-12 16:25:55

Nice map. Should have some predictive value - can think of it as strong hands/weak hands housing markets. I notice that Albemarle County (Charlottesville, Va.) is very much strong hands, a lot of the Plains very weak.

Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 17:11:24

What puzzles me is why we aren’t hearingmore about Texas. It has an astronomical % of these ticking bombs.

 
 
 
Comment by Tweedle Dee
2007-12-12 13:52:47

Isn’t it just surreal the way this is all playing out ? I mean we have forclosures, FBs, falling house prices, banks in trouble, a government bailout plan, the Fed easing and the stock market falling. Yet as little as 2 years ago it was all sunny with housing that “will only go up”. Its like we live in some sort of fantasy world now - called REALITY ! What a welcome change !

Comment by passthebubbly
2007-12-12 14:36:09

This housing bubble was to unbelievable to have been made up.

Comment by lavi d
2007-12-12 16:06:41
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2007-12-12 15:34:03

Hm. Let’s see where we were just a year ago, shall we?

GetStucco

WARenter

Pointlines

Sammy Schadenfreud

Comment by lavi d
2007-12-12 15:38:18

Messed up the links - sorry:

WArenter

Pointlines

Sammy Schadenfreud

Comment by tj & the bear
2007-12-13 00:19:25

How do you manage to find these things? I can never find old blog entries…

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Comment by WArenter
2007-12-12 16:34:00

Am I being paged? Still reading, not posting much. Thanks Ben and all for this blog.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2007-12-12 22:00:29

GetStucco said…

“This window of opportunity won’t last forever,” Stevens said. “The facts now are that interest rates are near 40-year lows, inventories of existing homes are higher than they have been in a decade and prices are stabilizing. But these perfect conditions for buyers are likely to change as sales pick up, prices gain traction and conditions improve for sellers next year.”‘

Sounds as if there has never been a better time to buy!

 
 
 
Comment by weinerdog43
2007-12-12 13:52:47

“…Scott and Dawn Norton raised 10 children…”

Holy cow! The story does not explain much, but just keeping that litter fed and clothed must cost a small fortune. Can’t tell if they’re in financial distress, but raising that many kids is EXPENSIVE.

Comment by jjinla
2007-12-12 14:22:43

Not if you’re poor. Don’t you already know that the rich and poor are allowed to breed all that they want, as long as the middle-class keeps paying for it?

 
Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 14:33:15

Old Groucho Marx show:

Groucho (chewing on his omni-present cigar) to enormously preganant guest: How many children do you have?

Guest: 5 and this will be our 6th

Groucho: Why so many children?

Guest: I love my husband

Groucho: Lady, I love my cigar but I take it out once in awhile.

Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 14:52:01

So did Bill Clinton!

Sorry, couldn’t help it.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2007-12-12 14:58:16

Ann,

LOL. Love it. Wow, pretty risque for the time the Groucho Marx show was on.

Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 15:03:30

So did Bill Clinton!

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Comment by phillygal
2007-12-12 15:49:47

OC -

We heard you the first time!

*ducking*

 
Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 16:16:16

Listen missy, my first post got eaten for a minute.

Just for that, may hordes of desperate realtWhores leave their flyers on the windshield of your car.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Renter
2007-12-12 13:59:35

“‘Prices are still dropping, in large part because investors are buying up the best deals,’ Camacho said. ‘Prices are still dropping while sales are rising. I think we have an ideal buyers’ market that won’t last much longer.’”

-Buy now or be priced out forever. Yeah, lets all fall for that one again. “Delusional”

Comment by Wilson
2007-12-12 14:18:40

Here’s a gem from Robin’s website: “With real estate prices in the temporary doldrums, you’re not gambling by buying now. You are gambling if you wait much longer.”

She sure is a real estate expert. She is a Realtor & a Branch owner! She has no bias…in fact, you can use her as a witness in a court of law as an unbiased expert!

 
 
Comment by John Law
2007-12-12 14:05:35

Dow closes up only 41. does this mean that the Fed/Treasury plans to save housing are basically forgotten as soon as they are proposed? seems like this means the market is skeptical that they can do anything to stop this.

Comment by are they crazy
2007-12-12 14:21:08

I saw a quote from helicopter ben that said this new not secret plan is better than lowering rates. Better for what? To make the market jump up for no real reason - guess that didn’t work out too well.

 
 
Comment by Tom
2007-12-12 14:07:20

Details of FED plan. 20B Auction.

So what is an Auction? Do people bid on borrowing money?

Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 14:53:12

Yeah, I’ll give 20 on Monday for a $5 hamburger today, since the 5 will be worth 20 next week.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-12 14:08:24

Today’s Officer Of Loan (TOOL)

“Money’s also tight for Deborah Vick, a Las Vegas home loan officer who says she’s cut back on spending since the housing slowdown took hold and cut her salary in half. She used to have a BMW and a Land Rover, but had to give up the BMW to a company that took over her $600 a month lease.”

Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 14:56:00

$600! Yowsa! That is 100-150 more than my monthly grocery/eating out bill for a family of 4. Heck, for 600 a month = 7,200/year x 6 years =43K, buy a used vette. What in the world was/is she thinking?

Comment by auger-inn
2007-12-12 15:12:03

Are you kidding OC? I’d love to see your meal plan, seriously. I wish I could feed my family of 3 on that amount, excluding meals out. Good for you.

Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 15:36:30

I’ll give you some recipes. I spend $190 -220 a month for 2 people with 30-40% going for fresh fruit and veggies. (And we both can flat out cook.)

Of course, I can’t stand chips, snacks, fried or greasy, sodium-heavy pop or excessive sugar. It literally makes me feel ill. My idea of a snack is a plate of sliced apples.

Here is one meal for a weekend lunch on a chilly day:

Soup - 1 can cream of mushroom with garlic, 1 can sliced potatoes, 1 can corn and 1 cup milk. Mix and heat. Serves 4-6.

Sandwich - rye bread lightly toasted. Lightly spread with brown mustard. Top with slices of tomato and then sauerkraut. Sprinkle grated Swiss Cheese on top. Broil 5 minutes. (Vegetarian Reuben.)

Slice up some apples, pears and and grapes. Mix with vanilla yougurt.

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Comment by lavi d
2007-12-12 15:44:37

I’ll give you some recipes.

I feel healthier just reading that.

 
 
Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 16:17:51

Well my wife is an accountant. She wonders what is happening if she can’t make it work on $75 until I remind about inflation.

Pray for us though, our son is 12 in January and is eating like a horde of Philadelphians at a Steak Samwich shop!

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Comment by Blue Skye
2007-12-12 16:41:09

By the time my son was 18, I was feeding him on $400 per month, excluding meals.

 
 
Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 16:19:19

I should also add that breakfast is usually light for all of us, lunch is sandwiches and dinner is leftovers or a new meal (about every other night). Also, wife keeps the soda real light in our house. Lots of filtered tap water.

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Comment by novawatcher
2007-12-12 21:36:10

Shoot, I paid cash for my BMW. I take that back: I had a $8k loan that I paid off 9 months later. And, I’m in the same [well, 2 years ahead] industry as Gwynster — good, but not *great* pay.

 
 
Comment by passthebubbly
2007-12-12 14:15:39

“‘We live in a great area, and I know we’re priced reasonably,’ says Dawn Norton. ‘I’ve had a Realtor tell me, ‘It’s not just your house.’”

More like, it’s just not your house.

Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-12-12 14:23:11

With 20 months supply of houses on the market, “priced reasonably” isn’t going to get it done. You need to be priced hat a Realtor would call “insanely low”, or no one will even think twice about an offer. Even if you are “insanely low” you’re likely to get low balled, and then get hit with requested discounts after the inspection.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-12-12 14:34:26

There has to be a limited market for old houses with six bedrooms.

 
Comment by AnnScott
2007-12-12 14:36:10

Real easy to find the price at which it will sell.

Every 2 weeks drop it $5000 -10,000.

When someone actually shows up to look who has a downpayment and is pre-approved with a commitment letter in hand from a lender, if they don’t make an offer, drop it another $10000.

Repeat until contract signed and deal closed.

Comment by EggMan
2007-12-12 16:03:26

This is similar to the way that places like TJMaxx sells clothing. Every week they change the tag until it’s gone.

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-12-12 14:18:11

Whenever 2007 numbers are reported, there is a reluctance to compare to 2006. For example, in a recent blog entry, the RE reort of the AZ Republic says:
http://www.azcentral.com/members/blog/CatherineReagor

“And November 2006 isn’t a good comparison, but there were 5,040 resales then, according to Realty Studies at Arizona State University.”

The implication is that 2006 was above normal so is not a good comparison year. What a bunch of garbage!

Checking the history at ASU, the 2006 numbers are in line with every year from ‘98-’02.
http://www.poly.asu.edu/realty/marketupdate/sales/Quarterly%20Sales.xls

Heck If you take ‘97 numbers and adjust to the population growth of PHX metro(20% since 2000, 25%+ since ‘97), you find that 2006 was a below average year when transactions are population adjusted!

We’re on pace to hit about 10,000 transactions 4th qtr of this year(3600 oct + 3200 nov). That’s worse than the last bust transaction count was 12K in the 4th qtr, and population of PHX was more than 30% less that it is now.

Not a good comparison year? Whatever.

Comment by fred hooper
2007-12-12 22:37:27

Maricopa County Notice of Trustee’s Sale filed in November were over 3500. This is not good.

 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-12 14:22:43

“Nobody’s ready to declare that the Las Vegas housing market has reached bottom, but some real estate experts are convinced the floor is at least being established.”

The floor being, the Marianas Trench.

Comment by Darrell_in _PHX
2007-12-12 14:40:17

Floor on inventory and transactions, maybe. Maybe the inventory can’t get higher because the properties are going into foreclosure and being put into REO lists somewhere. Maybe transactions can’t get any lower becasue we’re at the level of “there will always be idiots comitting financial suicide”.

But prices? No WAY are we near the bottom!

 
Comment by Not Mssing It
2007-12-12 15:08:12

Being face down on it makes it all that much clearer.

 
 
Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-12 14:35:05

Nobody’s ready to declare that the Las Vegas housing market has reached bottom, but some real estate experts are convinced the floor is at least being established.

Yeah, but the big concern is how far down things have to fall before reaching that point, and how hard the impact will be.

Comment by Ken Best
2007-12-12 20:51:43

Are these the same RE experts that didn’t see the bursting bubble? Did they give any warning? We have a credibility problem here.

 
 
Comment by STL
2007-12-12 14:40:17

I used to live in Dayton, NV. It’s really out in the sticks. It’s about the most dreary place you’ll ever see in your life. The first question people asked upon hearing someone was from Dayton was: “Does he/she have good teeth?” They really got excited when they had a real supermarket (Smith’s) come to town. It’s got a very small casino (The Dayton Depot), and some gas stations. Also, some old buildings which they fashion to be an historical district. The only reason to buy in Dayton is that you have no other choice. If I were buying now in Dayton, I would expect an exceptional value for my money. $200’s for Dayton, give me a break.

Maybe 30 years from now, Dayton will fill up and be a nice community, who knows, but right now, they need to be very humble to attract buyers and they need to be grateful for each one of them.

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-12 14:48:14

I used to live in Dayton, NV. It’s really out in the sticks. It’s about the most dreary place you’ll ever see in your life.

I think Tonopah has Dayton beat.

Comment by passthebubbly
2007-12-12 14:52:57

Battle Mountain

Comment by Blacque Jacques Shellacque
2007-12-12 14:59:37

At least in Battle Mtn, major east-west traffic on an Interstate highway is passing through, and there’s action on the railroad. Tonopah is way, way far away from the nearest metro area, and what people that do pass through there are likely to be ticketed by the local constabulary after passing through the speed trap on the eastern side of town.

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Comment by BubbleViewer
2007-12-12 14:59:21

“I’ve been from Tuscon to Tucamcari, Tehachapi to Tonapah…”

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2007-12-12 15:28:13

“Keep on a-rockin’ me baby…

Baby, baby, baby
Keep on rockin’, rockin’ me baby
Keep on a-rockin’, rockin’ me baby
Whoo-oo-oo-hoo-hoo-hoo, yeah”

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Comment by STL
2007-12-12 15:02:12

Tonopah is pretty dreary too, but you expect it to be so as it is right in the middle of nowhere.

What I think made Dayton worse for me, was knowing that nearby there were much nicer areas.

 
 
Comment by Not_In_Montana
2007-12-12 15:01:47

Isn’t Dayton near Fernley? Those used to be so quiet and rural back in the day. I’d hate to see the place now.

 
Comment by roguevalleygirl
2007-12-12 16:31:28

Parumph

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2007-12-12 14:42:14
Comment by OCDan
2007-12-12 15:02:12

Hilarious! Very funny take on this entire mess.

 
Comment by Midwesterner
2007-12-12 15:14:49

LMAO!! good one!

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2007-12-12 15:18:10

I was reading this to my sister. Both of us were laughing out loud. Too funny. I envy people that can write like that.

 
Comment by auger-inn
2007-12-12 15:22:41

Thanks Mo, a good laugh. I wish the WSJ would run it.

 
Comment by phillygal
2007-12-12 15:24:28

MULLET ALERT!

 
Comment by SaladSD
2007-12-12 18:37:50

ARM = Always Ready Money. Very funny!!!

 
 
Comment by joe momma
2007-12-12 15:00:55

Totally on cue…

Republican presidential rivals called for deep cuts in federal spending Wednesday…

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani called for across-the-board cuts of up to 15 percent, including reduced federal spending on health care. “Rather than relying on a nanny government, let’s rely on people to decide their own health care,” he said.

It’s called Starve the Beast. First you spend all the money on crazy schemes like Iraq. Then you demand fiscal responsibility from everyone else. The social programs are the obvious target.

Happens every time.

Comment by SaladSD
2007-12-12 18:39:06

Let’s starve Blackwater. They’re beasty enough.

Comment by tresho
2007-12-13 02:28:52

Cut the salaries of all elected personnel on the federal level 50% & cancel their pensions. They should lead by example.

 
 
 
Comment by aladinsane
2007-12-12 15:20:36

“Money’s also tight for Deborah Vick, a Las Vegas home loan officer who says she’s cut back on spending since the housing slowdown took hold and cut her salary in half. She used to have a BMW and a Land Rover, but had to give up the BMW to a company that took over her $600 a month lease.”

I thought for sure the article was going to say, she had to give on her kennel of fighting dogs, because money is so tight.

 
Comment by BubbleViewer
2007-12-12 15:59:40

The American Bar Association sure has a sense of humor. Or is it just me that finds this headline hilarious?

Gonzales Named Lawyer of the Year

 
Comment by potential buyer
2007-12-12 16:02:13

Saw an amazing sales ploy last week. It was one of those tall vans that had been totally painted over with ads. The back 2 doors were plastered with RE ads — all aimed at the Spanish speaking population and still touting no money down, low interest, etc.
It was a sight to behold and I nearly wrecked my car trying to decipher it!!

 
Comment by potential buyer
2007-12-12 16:06:41

Also forgot to say that the agents face was plastered all over the back door too. Had backcombed, teased hair. Haven’t seen that since, well — I don’t remember - 50s?

 
Comment by CHUCKY
2007-12-12 18:25:17

Drive through Trona , Ca. you will never forget the experience.

 
Comment by sagesse
2007-12-12 22:09:50

All things must be very well in Uta(u)h, if they advertise for this in Craigslist:
http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/rfs/506493788.html

 
Comment by dimedropped (Orlando)
2007-12-13 05:06:11

Old saying that seems appropo= When you are up to your ass in aligators it is hard to remember your original goal was to drain the swamp.

 
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