OCRs’ Jon Lansner On Your Questions
The following is Jon Lansners’ response to your question submitted last week. The bold type are the questions. I summarized each group of questions, and then your remarks are seperated by commas. Any link mistakes are mine, as I made them to articles Mr. Lansner provided.
To Ben’s fine crew … Thanks to all for the hearty debate. I got some ideas for future columns and blog postings, and slants to my work, in between the spitballs tossed about. For example: I’ll not mention price and volume in the headline when I’ll blog weekly market update!
Just so you all know, I own one home. Been an OC property owner since 1986, so I have plenty of equity left to ride out even the worst disaster. And I’ve never owned investment property. (My poison’s stock mutual funds!) So if I’m wrong about the local housing market, it’s because of my own professional failings, not my wallet talking.
I’ll assume these answers won’t quiet all my critics. But I tried my best.
“First, on the question of influence. ‘Having worked at three major newspapers in either advertising or production, every newspaper I‚ve worked for has had a firewall between editorial and advertising…Bill Kovach, Tom Rosensteil and Amy Mitchell wrote that journalists ‘report more cases of advertisers and owners breaching the independence of the newsroom. Advertisers work hard to create the appearance of a wall, but, as outsiders (like us bloggers for instance) can plainly see, and as some insiders have come to accept, there is no wall at all…What happens when the advertiser (or industry group, i.e real estate related) represents a significant percentage of the revenues generated from advertising? Then walking away from the advertiser is not so easy. I’m from San Diego which is bubble central and just a casual scan of the Weekly Reader and the Union Tribune will tell one just how much reliance there is on real estate advertising…As to whether the print media is directly benefiting from the real estate advertising due to the housing bubble, there‚s no doubt that it is. An analogous situation occurred with the stock bubble of the ‚90’s, in which cable stations such as CNBC and CNNfn were among the greatest cheerleaders…I am an OC Register subscriber, and I look forward to Lansner‚s writings on real estate. In my opinion, his musings seem to be 60/40 in favor of the RE industry/market, but he does manage to interject a dose of reality, as if to hint that the tide is changing….Since you rely on RE industry to give you input as to what is going on in the market place, if you were to write an unfavorable article, would these insiders then shun you and no longer give you the information you need to write future articles?‘”
In the 20 years I’ve been at The Register, I’ve never witnessed any story coverage altered to pacify any advertiser. And that’s the way it is at major newspapers. So you may not agree with what I write. I may be dead wring about housing. But it’ll be because I didn’t do my homework, not because of some internal newspaper limits on what I can say because real estate companies buy ads.
Tell me this: Where else have you seen analysis like this? Not the kind of copy a Realtor would like to see in the paper, I’m sure.
I also don’t skew my coverage so that I can curry favor with real estate companies and, thus, they’ll continue to chat with me. There’s too many sources of info and insight for me to worry if my work angers anybody in the business. If real estate types had that kind of control over my work, I’d do something else for a living.
“Many readers want to know his opinion on the over-stretched borrowers/speculators in OC. ‘Jon Lansner‚s recent columns may not mention of the deep trouble lenders are in the OC. Being that many of the top subprime lenders in the OC have been laid off employees and suffered poor forecasts, this issue should be front and center…How will the slowing housing market affect OC employment in the real estate, mortgage lending, and construction areas? How much recent new employment in OC is directly tied to real estate?…I believe that he ran a column a while back that hit thisˆ something like 85%. He also talked about the totally bogus down payment number. Same groupˆif their arm reset today, how much would their rate/payment go up, and could they reasonably afford it?…What percentage of the real estate speculation comes from people who are otherwise employed in the real estate/finance/construction industries? Lansner has done plenty of pieces on OC job growth in these fields. Anecdotally, it seems like everyone who is speculating on OC homes also has a day job that is dependant on continued RE growth….How many ARMs are being reset in OC this year and 2007? What is the average mortgage increase for these ARMs? What part of the OC foreclosure rate is due to people being„ strong-ARMed out of their homes?….How many current homeowners in Orange County have taken equity out of their current home to finance a rental in another state? I personally know of 5 families that have bought in Idaho, Vegas, and Arizona. All cash flow NEGATIVE and I/O loans.’”
Let me give the blog a sample of my work, a chunk of which has raised questions about lending practices. On the growing fad of ‘piggybacks,’ borrowers essentially borrowing their downpayments.
And the silliness known as 40 year loans. On too many home equity loans. Or looking at the challenges facing lenders.
“Others question who is an expert. ‘Here‚s a question: why are the opinions of realtors and realtor association spokespeople so often tagged as being from real estate experts‰ when they have so strong a vested interest in one side of the picture?…Why wouldn’t these people be classified as experts. Maybe I should ask who would be better suited to be cited as an expert. Your local 7/11 clerk….Rather than deeming these people experts, perhaps it would be more appropriate to call them, sources and to ask questions ‘meaningful questions’ instead of letting them get away with making ludicrous and baseless statements which they are never asked to back up. Asking David Lereah if there is a bubble is like asking Ken Lay if there is a problem with Enron stock. It’s a waste of time. And I think that’s what frustrates people when they open their local newspapers and see the latest rise in median price touted in bold numbers on the front page, with no mention of rising inventory or slowing sales or increasing days on the market or layoffs in the mortgage industry…..Why are RE agents (Gary Watts) and CAR reps (Leslie Applegate-Young) constantly being referred to as ‘experts’ and allowed to present their opinions in the Register without ANY counter point arguments or analysis from non-RE interests?‘”
It’s a fair question. And a challenge for all journalists in a number of topics. Insiders do have knowledge, and vested interests. I try to [1] write as often as possible off my own statistical research and [2] vary whom I talk to.
I’m not ashamed that I provide insights into both the bull and bear arguments on housing. And let me repeat a comment I hear from housing bulls: Aren’t the stock and bond types carping about housing conflicted, too: Real estate’s siphoned investor money from their businesses is recent years.
If the home-building chief of this county’s largest developer wants to talk to me, then why not?
Also, I’ll chat with a total housing bear. There are two sides to every debate, and home prices in Orange County are still a debate no matter what I personally believe.
And here’s one column where I did speak to the Realtor’s national president … But not on a topic you’d think ….
“Some readers think Mr. Lansner is a housing bear. ‘Having read most of his articles, I’d have to say he tries to present a very balanced view of real estate market here in orange county. if anything, I’d guess that deep down he‚s a real estate bear and has been for quite awhile….Amen, I‚ve stated that I felt he was a bear back in June of 05…Lansner did publish a bearish article in 2003. He was early like many bears. He also published a re-hash of his bearish call in the last 6 months. He published the yellow light flashing article on tax delinquencies and he also published the article on the sisyphean nature of OC housing in the last 90 days. Why do those stand out? Because they were exceptions to the glorious rising RE stories in the Register (not all written by Lansner). The tone of the glorious rising RE articles tends to be ebbullient in the OCR and the bearish articles are dispassionate passive voice articles. That is the reason for the backlash here….He was a bear in the past, but lately he seems a bit off. Maybe because he predicted too soon and now he‚s being cautious. I wrote on his blog and I mentioned being bought out. I guess he wanted to defend himself and I can understand that….Mr Lansner, in talking with your closest friends, say, over coffee or a cocktail, do you admit you are now a real estate bear or bull? Do you find yourself defending an ongoing real estate price escalation or do you argue for a ‘deflation’ of the obvious real estate bubble?‘”
I’m a bear. (And, for the record, I did say four years ago OC housing had peaked.) Risks are very high. Rewards seem modest, if the bulls do prevail. I’d tell anybody that — even my neighbors who’ve made killings on investment properties. (I tell them to sell!)
Here’s what worries me. A recent hint of trouble, late tax bills. But it’s hard to be a 24/7 ‘crash is HERE’ person when we’ve had nine straight years of home appreciation in The O.C. — the last 6 at double-digits gains.
How else would you have written this gem, a flipper besting investment pro Warren Buffett?
“Some think the Register doesn’t report on housing inventory. ‘I posted on > his blog last Friday, that he used to be pretty balanced and fair but was wondering why there has been a lack of any hint of rising inventories in the OC being written about on his part….Contrary to popular belief, Mr. Lansner has pointed out a couple of times the issue of rising inventories….Here‚s my question: INVENTORY? Doesn‚t it appear to be obvious that Orange County is attempting to Œcash out‚ all at the same time? And doesn‚t that precipitate an oversupply? And wouldn‚t an oversupply cause prices to head one direction? Why doesn‚t the Register talk about INVENTORY? So, is the Median Price‚ really the ONLY indicator of a real estate market? It’s the leaving out of the Inventory Issue that makes people suspect you of being bought by RE. And thanks again for being a good sport.‘”
No one marker dictates this business. Inventory spiked in the summer of 2004. Then after Election Day, the housing market took off again. Inventory is up again; we had a story recently that said so.
One cannot simply overlook the overarching strength of the OC economy. I follow it in great detail with an 18-year database of economic stats. My last quarterly check in.
Jobs are plentiful, and jobs, not rates, drive housing. But we’ll be carefully watching inventory, too …. And — even though nobody said it — late bill payments of all sorts! PS: Column on local credit scores.
“Others want to know JL’s outlook for Orange County real estate. ‘Will you concede that a RE market collapse and credit collapse is plausible whether or not you think it likely?…What data are you seeing that would indicate a growth outlook for OC housing / Southern CA housing, taking into account all of the negative inputs that have surfaced recently….Many individuals on this blog and other sites have often posed the general question: How can a typical family in OC now actually afford to purchase a home…..On your blog dated March 3, you have a headline that states ‘Back Above 600k!’ that to me seemed a bit too enthusiastic. I understand the figures from DataQuick reflect those numbers, > but the overall tone I get from that headline conveys excitement and does a disservice to your readers…..Why don’t median-income-to-home-price or rent-to-home-price ratios matter any more?…..Does it make sense to you that prices will keep going up 15% per year? Can you explain it to us and if you can’t, then why aren’t you asking relevant questions and presenting that perspective to your readers?‘”
There’s a good chance things will get ugly and affordability is a key component. My own math has the typical household income still generating a 40% debt-to-income level if your buy the median price CONDO! That’s outrageous.
My guess for home prices in The OC for 2006 is about 0%. I get this from my do-it-yourself home-price forecaster.
Again, thanks to all for the spirited debate!